blocks|key|2108945|text|1)轻量级初学者IDE+JCreator+for+Java|type|blockquote|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|offset|length|data|2108946|带CDT的Eclipse+(~40+MB下载)或Visual+2008速递版本(为安装程序下载2.6MB，然后从网络中下载大量东西)+--这是免费的。还有，去拿SP1。但是，我仍然建议您看看Visual。|unstyled|2108947|2)成熟的高级IDE+Eclipse+for+Java。|2108948|带CDT的Eclipse+(~40+MB下载)或VisualStudio2008Professional(如果要付费的话)。|2108949|(+3)我应该使用GCC还是其他编译器？|2108950|是也不是。取决于你的需要。GNU+g%2B%2B是一个很好的开始。然而，与CDT的联系可能被证明是困难的。|2108951|如果您打算在不久的将来进行专业的Windows编程，最好购买VisualStudio2008Pro(并安装SP1)并适应它。|2108952|entityMap|0|LINK|mutability|MUTABLE|url|Simple+and+small+download|1|http://www.eclipse.org/cdt/|2|http://www.microsoft.com/Express/|3|Every+feature+and+huge+download|4^0|C|H|0|0|0|C|1|O|D|2|0|B|G|3|0|0|C|4|0|0|0|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|15|8|@]|9|@$A|16|B|17|1|18]]|C|$]]|$1|D|3|E|5|F|7|19|8|@]|9|@$A|1A|B|1B|1|1C]|$A|1D|B|1E|1|1F]]|C|$]]|$1|G|3|H|5|6|7|1G|8|@]|9|@$A|1H|B|1I|1|1J]]|C|$]]|$1|I|3|J|5|F|7|1K|8|@]|9|@$A|1L|B|1M|1|1N]]|C|$]]|$1|K|3|L|5|6|7|1O|8|@]|9|@]|C|$]]|$1|M|3|N|5|F|7|1P|8|@]|9|@]|C|$]]|$1|O|3|P|5|F|7|1Q|8|@]|9|@]|C|$]]|$1|Q|3|-4|5|F|7|1R|8|@]|9|@]|C|$]]]|R|$S|$5|T|U|V|C|$W|X]]|Y|$5|T|U|V|C|$W|Z]]|10|$5|T|U|V|C|$W|11]]|12|$5|T|U|V|C|$W|13]]|14|$5|T|U|V|C|$W|Z]]]]

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 1) a Lightweight beginner IDE [Eg: JCreator for Java] (Simple and small download) 
</blockquote>

<a href="http://www.eclipse.org/cdt/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Eclipse with CDT</a> (~40 MB download) or <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/Express/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Visual Studio 2008 Express</a> edition (2.6 MB download for installer and then tons of stuff that it'll pull from the net) -- it's free. Also, get the SP1. But, I still suggest that you take a look at Visual Studio.

<blockquote>
 2) a full-blown advanced IDE [Eg: Eclipse for Java] (Every feature and huge download) 
</blockquote>

<a href="http://www.eclipse.org/cdt/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Eclipse with CDT</a> (~40 MB download) or Visual Studio 2008 Professional (if you are going to pay).

<blockquote>
 3) should I use GCC or other compilers?
</blockquote>

Yes and no. Depends on your needs. GNU g++ is great to get started with. However, hooking up with CDT may prove to be difficult. 

If you intend to do professional Windows programming in near future, it is best to buy the Visual Studio 2008 Pro (and install SP1) and get used to it.

blocks|key|579655|text|如果您必须在Vista中这样做，如果它是特定于Microsoft平台的，那么就没有比Visual更完善的IDE了。您可以下载用于C%2B%2B开发的版，作为一个更轻的IDE+(虽然不是那么简单，但它是免费的)。如果你想跨平台的话，和GCC一起月食也是很棒的。|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|data|579656|entityMap^0|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|D|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|B|3|-4|5|6|7|E|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]]|C|$]]

If you have to do it in Vista and if it is Microsoft platform-specific, then there is no better full-blown IDE than Visual Studio. You can download Visual Studio Express Edition for C++ development as a lighter IDE (Not that light though but it is free). Eclipse with GCC works great as well if you want to go cross-platform.

blocks|key|823968|text|我同意没有比Visual更适合C%2B%2B开发的Windows了。除了免费的之外，还可以考虑Visual标准。在美国，它的价格约为200美元，除其他优点外，它还允许你使用第三方插件，比如视觉辅助。这将帮助你进一步加快你的发展。|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|offset|length|data|823969|entityMap|0|LINK|mutability|MUTABLE|url|http://www.wholetomato.com/^0|2I|4|0|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|L|8|@]|9|@$A|M|B|N|1|O]]|C|$]]|$1|D|3|-4|5|6|7|P|8|@]|9|@]|C|$]]]|E|$F|$5|G|H|I|C|$J|K]]]]

I agree that there is no better Windows IDE for C++ development than Visual Studio. Apart from the free Visual Studio Express, you might also want to consider Visual Studio Standard. It costs about $200 in the US and, among other advantages, allows you to use third-party plugins such as <a href="http://www.wholetomato.com/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Visual Assist</a>. Those will help you speed up your development even further.

blocks|key|824049|text|对于非常轻的重量，您可以不使用任何IDE。抓取西格温，安装GCC并开始在任何文本编辑器(例如深红色编辑)中编写代码。实际上，我建议您尝试这样做，以了解C%2B%2B程序实际上是如何在IDE场景中编译的。|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|offset|length|data|824050|您可以获得C%2B%2B，这是初学者的一个很好的包。从这开始可能最容易。|824051|您可以使用CDT获得Eclipse，并使用Cygwin+GCC工具，但在某些方面这比Visual差。|824052|还有CodeBlock，我听说过一些好东西，但不知道它与Visual或Eclipse相比有什么不同。|824053|entityMap|0|LINK|mutability|MUTABLE|url|http://www.cygwin.com/|1|http://www.crimsoneditor.com/|2|http://www.microsoft.com/express/download/|3|http://www.codeblocks.org/^0|N|3|0|1A|5|1|0|5|3|2|0|0|2|9|3|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|X|8|@]|9|@$A|Y|B|Z|1|10]|$A|11|B|12|1|13]]|C|$]]|$1|D|3|E|5|6|7|14|8|@]|9|@$A|15|B|16|1|17]]|C|$]]|$1|F|3|G|5|6|7|18|8|@]|9|@]|C|$]]|$1|H|3|I|5|6|7|19|8|@]|9|@$A|1A|B|1B|1|1C]]|C|$]]|$1|J|3|-4|5|6|7|1D|8|@]|9|@]|C|$]]]|K|$L|$5|M|N|O|C|$P|Q]]|R|$5|M|N|O|C|$P|S]]|T|$5|M|N|O|C|$P|U]]|V|$5|M|N|O|C|$P|W]]]]

For really light weight, you can go without any IDE. Grab <a href="http://www.cygwin.com/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Cygwin</a>, install GCC and start writing code in any text editor (E.g. <a href="http://www.crimsoneditor.com/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Crimson Editor</a>). In fact, I suggest you try this to get an idea of how C++ programs are actually compiled behind the scene of an IDE.

You can get <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/express/download/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Visual Studio Express C++</a>, which is a good package for a beginner. Probably easiest to get started with this.

You can get Eclipse with CDT and use the Cygwin GCC tools, but this is inferior to Visual Studio in certain ways.

Then there's <a href="http://www.codeblocks.org/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">CodeBlock</a>, which I've heard good things about, but don't know how it compares to Visual Studio or Eclipse/CDT.

blocks|key|579972|text|您想学习C%2B%2B还是使用C%2B%2B与Vista组件交互？您问题的标题是Vista，但您的描述是询问使用哪个IDE。|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|data|579973|我同意使用Visual+C%2B%2B+Express是一个很好的起点。它基本上为您提供了用C%2B%2B编写Windows的基础。您说您来自JAVA世界，如果您有使用C#或VB.NET的经验，请不要期望所有的设计师和向导都在C%2B%2B中。任何做过C%2B%2B+GUI工作的人都知道，情况并不总是如此。不是为了让你气馁，而是有设计师，只是不是为了每件事。|579974|如果您想学习如何通过C%2B%2B与VC%2B%2B交互，VC%2B%2B的主站点是这里，而“如何操作”的视频这里，如果您还没有安装SP1是这里，也可以下载功能包，除了对MFC进行ribbonizing之外，它们还在STL中包含了Boost，这是非常棒的。最后，导游是这里。|offset|length|579975|另外，在技术上您不需要MFC来编写GUI应用程序，您可以直接调用Win32+API函数，但是MFC是一个基础，并且会有所帮助。|579976|这应该能让你开始。如果你需要更多的帮助，只需发表评论。|579977|entityMap|0|LINK|mutability|MUTABLE|url|http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-ca/visualc/default.aspx|1|http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-ca/visualc/bb496952.aspx|2|http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=D466226B-8DAB-445F-A7B4-448B326C48E7&displaylang=en|3|http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-ca/library/ms235630.aspx^0|0|0|U|2|0|17|2|1|1M|2|2|3E|2|3|0|0|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|Z|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|B|3|C|5|6|7|10|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|D|3|E|5|6|7|11|8|@]|9|@$F|12|G|13|1|14]|$F|15|G|16|1|17]|$F|18|G|19|1|1A]|$F|1B|G|1C|1|1D]]|A|$]]|$1|H|3|I|5|6|7|1E|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|J|3|K|5|6|7|1F|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|L|3|-4|5|6|7|1G|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]]|M|$N|$5|O|P|Q|A|$R|S]]|T|$5|O|P|Q|A|$R|U]]|V|$5|O|P|Q|A|$R|W]]|X|$5|O|P|Q|A|$R|Y]]]]

Do you want to just learn C++ or use C++ to interact with Vista components? The title of your question says Vista but your description is asking which IDE to use. 

I agree using Visual Studio C++ Express is a great place to start. It will basically give you the foundation for writing Windows Apps with C++. You said you're from the JAVA world and if you have experience with C# or VB.NET, don't expect all the designers and wizards to be here in C++. Anyone who had done C++ GUI work knows that this isn't always the case. Not to discourage you, there are designers, just not for everything.

If you want to learn how to interact with Windows through C++, the VC++ main site is <a href="http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-ca/visualc/default.aspx" rel="nofollow noreferrer">here</a>, and the how-do-i videos <a href="http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-ca/visualc/bb496952.aspx" rel="nofollow noreferrer">here</a>, also download the feature pack if you haven't installed SP1 yet is <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=D466226B-8DAB-445F-A7B4-448B326C48E7&amp;displaylang=en" rel="nofollow noreferrer">here</a>, besides ribbonizing MFC, they've included Boost in the STL, which is awesome. And finally, the guided tours are <a href="http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-ca/library/ms235630.aspx" rel="nofollow noreferrer">here</a>.

Also, you don't technically need MFC to write GUI applications, you can call Win32 API functions directly, but MFC is a foundation and will help.

That should get your started. If you need more help, just post a comment.

blocks|key|824100|text|我同意上面的海报。对于特定于microsoft平台的开发，Visual环境是迄今为止最好的。速成版很不错，但是如果我没记错的话，它们没有随win32+SDK一起来，所以你仍然不能用它来制作windows程序(正式的).|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|data|824101|如果你只想学习C%2B%2B，gcc/g%2B%2B是一个很好的免费编译器，一个语法突出显示的编辑器就足够了。我发现IDE只会增加大型项目的价值，对于简单的测试/学习项目来说，IDE并不是必要的。|824102|entityMap^0|0|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|F|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|B|3|C|5|6|7|G|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|D|3|-4|5|6|7|H|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]]|E|$]]

I agree with the posters above. For microsoft platform specific development, the Visual Studio environment is by far the best. The express editions are nice, but if I remember correctly, they do't come with the win32 SDK, so you still can't make windows GUI programs with it (officially)... 

If all you want is to learn C++, gcc/g++ is a great free compiler and an editor with syntax highlighting should be enough. I find an IDE only adds value for larger projects, for simple test/learning projects and IDE is not that neccessary.

blocks|key|2109077|text|您提到您了解Eclipse。如果您有使用Eclipse的经验，那么您可以使用Eclipse的CDT+(+C/C%2B%2B开发工具包)插件，将大部分经验用于C/C%2B%2B开发。|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|data|2109078|我强烈建议与CDT一起使用Eclipse，而不是使用Visual，因为如果您想要进行任何Linux开发，那么学习Visual的任何时间都会丢失。|2109079|..。|2109080|我忘了提到Eclipse有所有的，这是VS的完整版本(可能还有更多)的重要特性.但不需要任何钱。|offset|length|style|BOLD|2109081|entityMap^0|0|0|0|D|3|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|N|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|B|3|C|5|6|7|O|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|D|3|E|5|6|7|P|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|F|3|G|5|6|7|Q|8|@$H|R|I|S|J|K]]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|L|3|-4|5|6|7|T|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]]|M|$]]

You mentioned that that you know about Eclipse for Java. If you have any experience with Eclipse for Java then you can leverage most of that experience towards your C/C++ development by using Eclipse's CDT ( C/C++ Development Toolkit ) plugin.

I strongly encourage using Eclipse with CDT over using Visual Studio because any time spent learning Visual Studio will be lost if you ever want to do any Linux development.

... 

I forgot to mention that Eclipse with CDT has all the important features that full version VS has ( and probably more ) ... but doesn't cost any money.

blocks|key|579880|text|我相当偏爱Code+(以前的Borland)+C%2B%2B编译器行，我已经使用了多年。他们最近发布了一个名为涡轮探索者的免费“社区”添加|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|offset|length|data|579881|entityMap|0|LINK|mutability|MUTABLE|url|http://www.turboexplorer.com/cpp^0|1F|5|0|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|L|8|@]|9|@$A|M|B|N|1|O]]|C|$]]|$1|D|3|-4|5|6|7|P|8|@]|9|@]|C|$]]]|E|$F|$5|G|H|I|C|$J|K]]]]

I am rather partial to the Code Gear (formerly Borland) C++ compiler line which I have been using for years.
They have recently release a free 'community' addition called <a href="http://www.turboexplorer.com/cpp" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Turbo Explorer</a>

blocks|key|579900|text|Netbeans也是非常好的IDE，里面有很多未来。|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|data|579901|entityMap^0|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|D|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|B|3|-4|5|6|7|E|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]]|C|$]]

Netbeans is also very good IDE with many futures in it.

I'm from a Java school, but I'd like to get my hands dirty in C/C++ development as well. Can you suggest:

<ol>
<li>a Lightweight beginner IDE [Eg: JCreator for Java] (Simple and small download)</li>
<li>a full-blown advanced IDE [Eg: Eclipse for Java] (Every feature and huge download)</li>
<li>should I use GCC or other compilers? </li>
</ol>

Thanks a lot guys!

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