blocks|key|4607895|text|从Emacs+Lisp开始(考虑到您似乎已经开始定制您的emacs)+-它似乎对您更有用。|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|data|4607896|请记住，Emacs+Lisp和Common+Lisp+(更类似于通用编程语言)和Emacs+Lisp(有很多缓冲区管理的东西，特别是您可能在野外看到的代码)之间有很大的不同，所以无论您采用哪种方法，都会有一些“浪费”。|4607897|entityMap^0|0|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|F|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|B|3|C|5|6|7|G|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|D|3|-4|5|6|7|H|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]]|E|$]]

Start with Emacs Lisp (given that you seem to have already started customizing your emacs) - it seems to be more immediately useful for you.

Do keep in mind that there is quite a bit of difference between Emacs Lisp (there is a lot of buffer management stuff, especially in the code you're likely to see in the wild) and Common Lisp (more similar to a general purpose programming language), so which ever route you take, expect some amount of "wastage"

blocks|key|1861328|text|我假设你在发帖前搜索过了，并看到了问题"What's+the+best+way+to+learn+LISP?"和可能的"Tips+for+Learning+Elisp"。对于如何学习其中任何一个，这两个都是很好的起点。|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|offset|length|data|1861329|至于先学习哪一个，这完全取决于你想做什么。如果你对一个你感兴趣的项目有一个想法，那么使用适当的lisp来解决它。例如，如果您想要在开发环境中添加/更改某些功能，请使用emacs+lisp。否则(如果它与编辑器无关)，请使用common+lisp。|1861330|对我来说，这一切都是为了找到一个你感兴趣的项目，并用它来指导使用哪种语言。|1861331|它们每一个都足够接近，熟悉一个就可以直接使用另一个。Emacs+lisp有很多特定于域的特性(缓冲区、区域、文本属性、文件、子进程等)，而common+lisp有各种各样的库可供使用。|1861332|entityMap|0|LINK|mutability|MUTABLE|url|https://stackoverflow.com/questions/398579/whats-the-best-way-to-learn-lisp|1|https://stackoverflow.com/questions/41522/tips-for-learning-elisp^0|J|10|0|1N|P|1|0|0|0|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|T|8|@]|9|@$A|U|B|V|1|W]|$A|X|B|Y|1|Z]]|C|$]]|$1|D|3|E|5|6|7|10|8|@]|9|@]|C|$]]|$1|F|3|G|5|6|7|11|8|@]|9|@]|C|$]]|$1|H|3|I|5|6|7|12|8|@]|9|@]|C|$]]|$1|J|3|-4|5|6|7|13|8|@]|9|@]|C|$]]]|K|$L|$5|M|N|O|C|$P|Q]]|R|$5|M|N|O|C|$P|S]]]]

I assume you searched SO before posting and saw the questions <a href="https://stackoverflow.com/questions/398579/whats-the-best-way-to-learn-lisp">"What's the best way to learn LISP?"</a> and possibly <a href="https://stackoverflow.com/questions/41522/tips-for-learning-elisp">"Tips for Learning Elisp"</a>. Those are two good starting points for how to learn either one.

As far as which one to learn first, it all depends on what you want to do. If you have an idea for a project that interests you, then use the appropriate lisp to solve that. For example, if you want to add/change some functionality in your development environment, use emacs lisp. Otherwise (if it's not editor related), use common lisp.

For me, it's all about finding a project that interests you, and using that to guide which language to use.

They're each close enough that becoming familiar with one will make using the other straight forward. Emacs lisp has a lot of domain specific features (buffers, regions, text properties, files, sub-processes, etc.), and common lisp has a wide varieties of libraries to use.

blocks|key|1861441|text|这可能很有用：a+comparison+of+Common+Lisp,+Scheme,+Clojure,+and+Emacs+Lisp。|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|offset|length|data|1861442|entityMap|0|LINK|mutability|MUTABLE|url|http://hyperpolyglot.org/lisp^0|7|1O|0|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|L|8|@]|9|@$A|M|B|N|1|O]]|C|$]]|$1|D|3|-4|5|6|7|P|8|@]|9|@]|C|$]]]|E|$F|$5|G|H|I|C|$J|K]]]]

This may be useful: <a href="http://hyperpolyglot.org/lisp" rel="noreferrer">a comparison of Common Lisp, Scheme, Clojure, and Emacs Lisp</a>.

blocks|key|1864601|text|我建议您首先使用Common+Lisp，因为它比Emacs+Lisp更通用。一旦您熟悉了Common+Lisp，使用Emacs+Lisp(它是Lisp的一种简单得多的方言)将不会有什么问题。|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|data|1864602|你可能会认为，为什么我建议从两者中“更难”的语言开始，你问这样一个问题是正确的。答案很简单-+Emacs+Lisp中的许多东西都与Emacs捆绑在一起，如果你从那里开始，你可能会错过大局的一部分。|1864603|我个人开始了我的Lisp之旅，开始了我的Lisp之旅，其他人已经推荐了这本优秀的书“实用的通用Lisp”。它让我对lisp的愿景和想法产生了兴趣，一旦我理解了Common+Lisp，立即开始编写Emacs+Lisp代码对我来说就相当容易了。我不确定在相反的方向上的旅程是否会同样顺利，但一切都是主观的，是个人喜好的问题。|1864604|entityMap^0|0|0|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|H|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|B|3|C|5|6|7|I|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|D|3|E|5|6|7|J|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|F|3|-4|5|6|7|K|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]]|G|$]]

I'd recommend you to start with Common Lisp first since it's much more general purpose than Emacs Lisp. Once you're acquainted with Common Lisp you'll have very little trouble picking up Emacs Lisp(it's a much simpler dialect of Lisp). 

You might as why I'm suggesting to start from the "more difficult" language of the two and you'd be right to ask such a question. The answer is fairly simply - much of the stuff in Emacs Lisp are fairly tied down to Emacs and you might be missing part of the big picture if you start from there.

I personally started my journey towards Lisp with the excellent book "Practical Common Lisp" which others have already recommended. It got me hook to the lisp vision and ideas and once I understood Common Lisp it was fairly easy for me to start writing Emacs Lisp code right away. I'm not sure the journey would be as smooth in the opposite direction, but everything is subjective and matter of personal preferences.

blocks|key|3197509|text|我喜欢这些书：|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|data|3197510|3197511|Practical+Common+Lisp|unordered-list-item|offset|length|3197512|An+Introduction+to+Programming+in+Emacs+Lisp|3197513|3197514|entityMap|0|LINK|mutability|MUTABLE|url|http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/|1|https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/eintr.html^0|0|0|0|L|0|0|0|18|1|0|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|U|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|B|3|-4|5|6|7|V|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|C|3|D|5|E|7|W|8|@]|9|@$F|X|G|Y|1|Z]]|A|$]]|$1|H|3|I|5|E|7|10|8|@]|9|@$F|11|G|12|1|13]]|A|$]]|$1|J|3|-4|5|6|7|14|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|K|3|-4|5|6|7|15|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]]|L|$M|$5|N|O|P|A|$Q|R]]|S|$5|N|O|P|A|$Q|T]]]]

I like these books:

<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/" rel="nofollow">Practical Common Lisp</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/eintr.html" rel="nofollow">An Introduction to Programming in Emacs Lisp</a></li>
</ul>

blocks|key|4608193|text|使用并练习Emacs+Lisp。你将立即能够做你能看到的和相关的事情。同时，也许可以读一本关于Common+Lisp的书。和Elisp手册。|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|data|4608194|阅读这本书不会有什么坏处，而且可以给你更多的背景和概述。但这取决于你喜欢学习的方式等。阅读给你提供了一个比你刚开始练习时可能获得的东西更大的图景--让你知道你可以去哪里，你可以做什么，即使你从来不需要或不想做。|4608195|entityMap^0|0|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|F|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|B|3|C|5|6|7|G|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|D|3|-4|5|6|7|H|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]]|E|$]]

Play with and practice Emacs Lisp. You will immediately be able to do things you can see and relate to. At the same time perhaps, read a book on Common Lisp. And the Elisp manual.

The reading won't hurt and can give you more background and overview. But it depends how you like to learn etc. Reading gives you a bigger picture than what you might get starting out practicing -- lets you know where you could go, what you could do, even if you never need or want to.

blocks|key|3197783|text|我建议您从EmacsLisp开始，因为如前所述，它会更直接有用。|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|data|3197784|一旦您很好地掌握了这种语言的特性，就可以开始使用eieio了。|offset|length|style|CODE|3197785|引用emacswiki的话，它就是An+implementation+of+the+CommonLisp+object+orientation+standard+(CLOS)+in+EmacsLisp。|3197786|两全其美！|3197787|entityMap|0|LINK|mutability|MUTABLE|url|http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsLispObjects^0|0|O|5|0|H|2B|2|9|0|0|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|T|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|B|3|C|5|6|7|U|8|@$D|V|E|W|F|G]]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|H|3|I|5|6|7|X|8|@$D|Y|E|Z|F|G]]|9|@$D|10|E|11|1|12]]|A|$]]|$1|J|3|K|5|6|7|13|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|L|3|-4|5|6|7|14|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]]|M|$N|$5|O|P|Q|A|$R|S]]]]

I recommend that you start with EmacsLisp, as it will be more immediately useful as already stated. 
And as soon as you get a good grasp on the peculiarities of the language, you could start using<code>eieio</code>.

To quote the <a href="http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsLispObjects" rel="nofollow">emacswiki</a>, it is <code>An implementation of the CommonLisp object orientation standard (CLOS) in EmacsLisp</code>.

Best of both worlds !

blocks|key|3197888|text|可能会同时学习这两种方法。|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|data|3197889|在学习Common+Lisp时，我使用了Scheme中的计算机程序结构和解释中的练习。这意味着我很早就接触到了Scheme和Common+Lisp之间的差异。同样，学习emacs-lisp和CL是完全可行的，甚至可以帮助您理解作用域，因为它们之间是不同的。|3197890|entityMap^0|0|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|F|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|B|3|C|5|6|7|G|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|D|3|-4|5|6|7|H|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]]|E|$]]

Probably learn both in parallel. 

When learning Common Lisp I used exercises from the Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs, which is in Scheme. This meant I was exposed to the differences between Scheme and Common Lisp early on. Similarly, learning emacs-lisp together with CL is perfectly feasible and may even help you understand scoping, since it differs between each.

The last few months I've been using Emacs extensively as my main development environment and I've now come to a point at which I'd like to learn it's own Emacs Lisp to write my own little stuff for Emacs and extend it to my personal needs.

Having said that I've also wanted to learn Common Lisp for a while now, to play around with and explore a new language. My question is, where should I start from? Will Emacs Lisp give me the necessary knowledge to pick up Common Lisp later more easily or the other way round? I'm basically interested in the efficiency of each path so as to minimize the learning curve when I finally decide to move from one dialect to the other.

How to go about learning Common Lisp and Emacs Lisp?

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