blocks|key|392544|text|欢迎来到80年代。:)从经典的K&R+C书或我最喜欢的Harbinson+&+Steel的C:+A+Reference+Manual开始，如果你能找到的话。我和图片打交道，有几本关于PIC编程的书很有用。我在使用PC机的时候已经熟悉了C语言，我发现它们在这方面没有什么用处。|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|data|392545|C允许你接近汇编语言，并且大多数编译器都内联包含它，所以它和任何高级语言一样接近汇编语言。我想，你应该很快就能开心地回家了。|392546|如果你对跳转几十年感兴趣(+;>)，你可能会考虑Microchip+C编译器。我很快就会了解这一点，有一本关于Practical+Statecharts+in+C/C%2B%2B的好书。|offset|length|392547|entityMap|0|LINK|mutability|MUTABLE|url|https://rads.stackoverflow.com/amzn/click/com/1578201101^0|0|0|1J|U|0|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|P|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|B|3|C|5|6|7|Q|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|D|3|E|5|6|7|R|8|@]|9|@$F|S|G|T|1|U]]|A|$]]|$1|H|3|-4|5|6|7|V|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]]|I|$J|$5|K|L|M|A|$N|O]]]]

Welcome to the 80's. :) Start with the either classic K&amp;R C book or my favorite C: a Reference Manual by Harbinson &amp; Steel if you can find one. I work with PICs and there are several useful books about PIC programming. I was already familiar with C from using PCs I didn't find them useful in that regard.
 
C allows you to be close to assembly and most compilers to include it inline, so it's as close to assembler as any high level language. You should happy and at home pretty quickly, I think. 
 
If you are interested in jumping forward a few decades ;>) you might want to consider a Microchip C complier. I'm going to be looking into this soon and there is a good book on <a href="https://rads.stackoverflow.com/amzn/click/com/1578201101" rel="nofollow noreferrer" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Practical Statecharts in C/C++</a>.

blocks|key|4173664|text|好消息是，如果你的工程师有汇编方面的背景，一些“C”语言的概念，如指针和数组，将不难掌握(希望掌握)。|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|data|4173665|关于您关于嵌入式C培训的具体问题，有一系列关于嵌入式培训的课程，包括用C和C%2B%2B编写嵌入式代码。|4173666|此外，嵌入式系统会议(几周前刚刚在波士顿召开，我想下一次会议将于明年春天在硅谷举行)总是充满了关于嵌入式开发和不同语言的课程。但你可能不会奢侈地等待6个月。|4173667|如果你的员工更多的是“书本学习者”类型，这些书可能会引起你的兴趣：|4173668|4173669|unordered-list-item|4173670|4173671|4173672|4173673|4173674|这应该会给你足够的时间来反省一下。|4173675|entityMap^0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|S|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|B|3|C|5|6|7|T|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|D|3|E|5|6|7|U|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|F|3|G|5|6|7|V|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|H|3|-4|5|6|7|W|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|I|3|-4|5|J|7|X|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|K|3|-4|5|J|7|Y|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|L|3|-4|5|J|7|Z|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|M|3|-4|5|J|7|10|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|N|3|-4|5|6|7|11|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|O|3|P|5|6|7|12|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|Q|3|-4|5|6|7|13|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]]|R|$]]

The good news is that if your engineers have a background in assembly, some of the 'C' langugage concepts, such as pointers and arrays, will not be difficult to grasp (and hopefully master.)

Regarding your specific question about embedded C training, <a href="http://www.netrino.com" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Netrino</a> has a bunch of courses on embedded training, including writing embedded code in C and C++.

Also, the Embedded Systems Conferences (just had one in Boston a couple weeks ago, next one is in Silicon Valley next spring I think) are always full of courses on embedded development &amp; different languages. But you probably don't have the luxury of waiting 6 months.

If your staff are more of the "book learner" types, these books might be of interest:

<ul>
<li><a href="https://rads.stackoverflow.com/amzn/click/com/1418039594" rel="nofollow noreferrer" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Embedded C Programming And The Atmel AVR</a></li>
<li><a href="https://rads.stackoverflow.com/amzn/click/com/1401837484" rel="nofollow noreferrer" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Embedded C Programming and the Microchip PIC</a></li>
<li><a href="https://rads.stackoverflow.com/amzn/click/com/0596009836" rel="nofollow noreferrer" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Programming Embedded Systems: With C and GNU Development Tools</a></li>
<li><a href="https://rads.stackoverflow.com/amzn/click/com/020179523X" rel="nofollow noreferrer" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Embedded C</a></li>
</ul>

That should give you enough to chew on for a little while.

blocks|key|4173782|text|当然，你应该检查一下http://arduino.cc：|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|offset|length|data|4173783|http://arduino.cc/en/Tutorial/HomePage|4173784|HTH|4173785|entityMap|0|LINK|mutability|MUTABLE|url|http://arduino.cc/|1^0|A|H|0|0|0|12|1|0|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|Q|8|@]|9|@$A|R|B|S|1|T]]|C|$]]|$1|D|3|E|5|6|7|U|8|@]|9|@$A|V|B|W|1|X]]|C|$]]|$1|F|3|G|5|6|7|Y|8|@]|9|@]|C|$]]|$1|H|3|-4|5|6|7|Z|8|@]|9|@]|C|$]]]|I|$J|$5|K|L|M|C|$N|O]]|P|$5|K|L|M|C|$N|E]]]]

Definitely, you should check <a href="http://arduino.cc" rel="nofollow noreferrer">http://arduino.cc</a> :

<a href="http://arduino.cc/en/Tutorial/HomePage" rel="nofollow noreferrer">http://arduino.cc/en/Tutorial/HomePage</a>

HTH

blocks|key|797108|text|首先，我建议使用Microchip的MPLAB和C编译器的“学生”版本。|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|data|797109|C编译器在到期后运行，而不进行优化。|797110|MPLAB有一个内置的模拟器来运行程序。你可以通过位旋转输出引脚来观察物体的移动。|797111|entityMap^0|0|0|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|H|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|B|3|C|5|6|7|I|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|D|3|E|5|6|7|J|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|F|3|-4|5|6|7|K|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]]|G|$]]

To get started I'd suggest MPLAB from Microchip and the "Student" version of the C Compiler.

The C Compiler runs without optimizations after the expiration period.

MPLAB has a built-in simulator to run the programs. You can bit-twiddle output pins to see things move.

blocks|key|392761|text|你为什么提到16位？|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|data|392762|如果是因为你认为8位是20世纪，那么你是对的。但16位也是如此。当今的32位控制器(特别是ARM)功能更强大，而且通常比16位控制器更便宜。更便宜，因为一些16位制程使用过时的工艺，具有较大的特征尺寸，因此更大的模具。|392763|实际上，我认为一些8位控制器的生命周期会比16位控制器长。前者相对于16位或32位控制器的优势可能在于大小。你不可能把一个ARM控制器放在一个2.9x1.3毫米的SOT23封装中。此外，较小的8位控制器仍然比最小的ARM便宜。|392764|对我来说，使用16位控制器的唯一原因是安装了代码，但既然你提到了一些你正在“考虑”的品牌，我假设你现在没有使用它们。|392765|我会看一看ARM。ARM7TDMI是稳定的，可以在多家供应商的多种配置中使用。我可以推荐恩智浦LPC2000。起价约为1.50美元，对于32位控制器来说已经不错了。|392766|entityMap^0|0|0|0|0|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|L|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|B|3|C|5|6|7|M|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|D|3|E|5|6|7|N|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|F|3|G|5|6|7|O|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|H|3|I|5|6|7|P|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|J|3|-4|5|6|7|Q|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]]|K|$]]

Why do you mention 16-bit? 

If it is because you think 8-bit is so 20th century, you're right. But so is 16-bit. Today's 32-bit controllers (esp. ARM) are more powerful and often cheaper than 16-bit controllers. Cheaper because some 16-bitters use outdated processes, with large feature size and hence larger dies.

Actually I think some 8-bit controllers will have a longer lifetime than their 16-bit counterparts. An advantage of the former over 16 or 32-bit controllers may be size. There's no way you can put an ARM controller in a 2.9x1.3 mm SOT23 package. Also the smaller 8-bit controllers are still cheaper than the smallest ARM.

For me the only reason to use 16-bit controllers would be installed code, but since you mention some brands you're "considering", I presume you're not using them at this moment.

I would take a look at ARM. ARM7TDMI is stable and available in a multitude of configurations from several suppliers. I can recommend NXP LPC2000. Starts at about USD 1.50, not bad for a 32-bit controller.

blocks|key|2709306|text|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|data|2709307|有没有好的培训资源可以让我们的工程师跟上C语言的步伐？|blockquote|2709308|2709309|2709310|对于初学者来说，Bruce+Eckel的"Thinking+in+C"+multimedia+course提供了一个非常好的，也是相当完整的关于C编程语言家族的介绍，它是由Bruce+Eckel的"Thinking+in+C"+multimedia+course提供的免费(下载大小约为100兆，课程本身是flash格式的)。|offset|length|2709311|entityMap|0|LINK|mutability|MUTABLE|url|http://mindview.net/CDs/ThinkingInC/beta3|1^0|0|0|0|0|K|X|0|2Q|X|1|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|-4|4|5|6|S|7|@]|8|@]|9|$]]|$1|A|3|B|4|C|6|T|7|@]|8|@]|9|$]]|$1|D|3|-4|4|5|6|U|7|@]|8|@]|9|$]]|$1|E|3|-4|4|5|6|V|7|@]|8|@]|9|$]]|$1|F|3|G|4|5|6|W|7|@]|8|@$H|X|I|Y|1|Z]|$H|10|I|11|1|12]]|9|$]]|$1|J|3|-4|4|5|6|13|7|@]|8|@]|9|$]]]|K|$L|$4|M|N|O|9|$P|Q]]|R|$4|M|N|O|9|$P|Q]]]]

<blockquote>
 Are there good training resources to bring our engineers up to speed with C?
</blockquote>

For starters, a very good and also pretty complete introduction to the C family of programming languages is provided for free by Bruce Eckel's <a href="http://mindview.net/CDs/ThinkingInC/beta3" rel="nofollow noreferrer">"Thinking in C" multimedia course</a>
(the download is about 100 megs in size, and the course itself is in flash).

blocks|key|392701|text|msp430是C语言最好的微处理器之一，但你最好的选择就是使用ARM，他们很快就会消除剩下的竞争。Microchip已经抢占了32位内核来竞争，但我认为他们最终将成为失败者。随着32位的武器满足并击败了疲惫的8位微处理器(如PIC、8051和z80)的价格，除了msp，你应该避免在任何低于32位内核的地方停下来。|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|data|392702|它不是最好也不是最高效的编译器，但价格合适，没有其他编译器像gcc那样有如此多的支持。在多个平台上构建或下载预建的gcc是相对容易的。我会避免陷入任何需要制造商的IDE和工具的事情中。这些工具很好，在某些情况下需要开始使用micro，但从长远来看，您可能想要探索这些替代方案的优缺点。|392703|至于学习C，好吧，如果你比任何其他语言都了解汇编语言，包括汇编语言，它只是一个语法。我相信你所需要的一切都可以通过谷歌在网上找到。一旦你选择了一个评价板和一个微型计算机(stellaris有一些很好的东西)，从研究他们的示例程序开始，然后使用google找到其他示例程序并从那里开始。特别是微控制器，但一般来说，你想要避免任何语言的奇妙特性，坚持简单，基本的东西，在任何编程语言中都是一样的东西。你所体验到的编译器，尤其是专门为微构建的编译器，不会处理像gcc、微软或borland这样的特殊情况。这也将使你的代码更容易移植到其他micros或其他语言(我会避免任何超过asm和C的东西，特别是对于micros)。如果你必须要一本书，那就买K&R或其他什么东西来代替它吧。请注意，直接从第一版书中走出来的K&R+C在任何地方都不会真正编译。但它遵循基本原则，使您远离语言的问题区域。|392704|Linux设备驱动程序的级别非常高(几乎在应用程序级别，大部分代码都与“金属”无关)。你不打算在微型机上运行linux，即使是arm微型机，学习linux设备驱动程序对于其他目标来说是一个很好的练习，但不是为了这个目标。你想要不惜一切代价避开操作系统，特别是linux和windows，你想要学习非操作系统的C编程。请看WINARM示例。(这包括RTOSes)。|392705|entityMap^0|0|0|0|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|J|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|B|3|C|5|6|7|K|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|D|3|E|5|6|7|L|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|F|3|G|5|6|7|M|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|H|3|-4|5|6|7|N|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]]|I|$]]

The msp430 is one of the best micros for C. But your best bet is just go with ARM, they will erase the remaining competition soon. Microchip has grabbed a 32 bit core to compete but I think they will end up being an also-ran. With 32 bit ARMs meeting and beating the price of the tired 8 bit micros (like the PIC and 8051 and z80), other than the msp you should avoid stopping at anything below a 32 bit core.

It is not the best nor most efficient compiler but the price is right and no other compiler has as much support as gcc. It is relatively easy to build or download a pre-built gcc for a number of platforms. I would avoid getting sucked into anything that requires the manufacturers IDE and tools. Those tools are fine and in some cases required to get started with a micro but in the long run you may want to explore the pros and cons of the alternatives. 

As for learning C, well if you know assembler than any other language including assembler is just syntax. I am sure everything you need you can find online with google. Once you pick an eval board and a micro (stellaris has some good stuff), start by studying their example programs, then use google to find other example programs and go from there. Particularly with micro controllers, but in general, you want to avoid the gee whiz features of any language, stick with the simple, basic stuff, the stuff that is the same in any programming language. The compilers you experience, esp the purpose built compilers for a micro, are not going to handle the corner cases like say a gcc or microsoft or borland. This will also make your code more portable to take to other micros or other languages (I would avoid anything above asm and C though, esp for micros).
If you have to have a book, get K&amp;R or whatever is being used as its replacement. Note that K&amp;R C, straight out of the first edition book, wont really compile anywhere. But it keeps to the basics and keeps you away from the problem areas of the language.

Linux device drivers are extremely high level (almost at the application level, the bulk of the code has nothing to do with "the metal"). You are not going to be running linux on a micro, even an arm micro, learning linux device drivers is a good exercise for other goals but not for this one. You want to avoid the operating system at all costs specifically linux and windows, you want to learn non-operating-system C programming. Look at the WINARM examples. (this includes RTOSes).

blocks|key|392859|text|对于16位Microchip+pics，有|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|data|392860|http://www.amazon.com/Programming-16-Bit-PIC-Microcontrollers-Technology/dp/0750682922|offset|length|392861|IIRC它是不错的，但他们非常专注于每个芯片做一件事。我们的应用程序复用了许多I/O，因此书中的示例/案例研究(假定为独占使用)很难应用到实践中。|392862|当我开始使用这个架构时，有一个容易制作的示例板(来自Microchip，$50-$100范围)真的很有帮助，特别是如果你的目标是与示例板大致相同的变体。|392863|这是因为它可以通过在示例板上运行它来轻松检查问题是与硬件有关还是与软件相关。|392864|entityMap|0|LINK|mutability|MUTABLE|url|https://rads.stackoverflow.com/amzn/click/com/0750682922^0|0|0|2E|0|0|0|0|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|T|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|B|3|C|5|6|7|U|8|@]|9|@$D|V|E|W|1|X]]|A|$]]|$1|F|3|G|5|6|7|Y|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|H|3|I|5|6|7|Z|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|J|3|K|5|6|7|10|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|L|3|-4|5|6|7|11|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]]|M|$N|$5|O|P|Q|A|$R|S]]]]

For 16-bit Microchip pics, there is 

<a href="https://rads.stackoverflow.com/amzn/click/com/0750682922" rel="nofollow noreferrer" rel="nofollow noreferrer">http://www.amazon.com/Programming-16-Bit-PIC-Microcontrollers-Technology/dp/0750682922</a>

IIRC it was decent, but they focus pretty heavily on doing one thing per chip. Our apps multiplex a lot of I/O, and for that the examples/casestudies in the book (that assumed exclusive use) were hard to bring to practice. 

When I started with this architecture, having a readily made example board (from Microchip, $50-$100 range) really helped, specially if you target roughly the same variant as the example board. 

This because it offered an easy check if a problem was hardware or software related by running it on the example board.

blocks|key|797237|text|有些公司专门教授嵌入式系统的C语言，比如英国的Feabhas或美国的Netrino。浏览一下网页。|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|offset|length|data|797238|除了在其他帖子中提到的处理器之外，ST的STM32系列非常值得一看。它们是32位的，性价比极高，并且有很多不同的包。|797239|科技公司似乎正在做出真正努力，让人们快速启动和运行他们的产品，推出像STM32+Circle这样的开发硬件。|797240|entityMap|0|LINK|mutability|MUTABLE|url|http://www.feabhas.com/|1|http://www.netrino.com/|2|http://www.stm32circle.com/hom/index.php^0|N|7|0|Y|7|1|0|0|Y|C|2|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|T|8|@]|9|@$A|U|B|V|1|W]|$A|X|B|Y|1|Z]]|C|$]]|$1|D|3|E|5|6|7|10|8|@]|9|@]|C|$]]|$1|F|3|G|5|6|7|11|8|@]|9|@$A|12|B|13|1|14]]|C|$]]|$1|H|3|-4|5|6|7|15|8|@]|9|@]|C|$]]]|I|$J|$5|K|L|M|C|$N|O]]|P|$5|K|L|M|C|$N|Q]]|R|$5|K|L|M|C|$N|S]]]]

There are companies that specialise in teaching C for embedded systems, such as <a href="http://www.feabhas.com/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Feabhas</a> in the UK, or <a href="http://www.netrino.com/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Netrino</a> in the US. Have a look around the web.

In addition to the processors mentioned in other posts, the STM32 family from ST is well worth a look. They're 32-bit, extremely cost-effective, and come in a large variety of packages.

ST appear to be making a real effort to get people up and running quickly with their product, coming up with development hardware like the <a href="http://www.stm32circle.com/hom/index.php" rel="nofollow noreferrer">STM32 Circle</a>.

blocks|key|2709183|text|首先想到的是有关编写Linux设备驱动程序的文档。这与您感兴趣的内容关系不大，但在this+O‘’Reilly关于驱动程序编程的一本书中介绍了16位设备的编码。一般来说，至少应该有许多有用的编码风格约定。|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|offset|length|data|2709184|entityMap|0|LINK|mutability|MUTABLE|url|http://www.xml.com/ldd/chapter/book/ch10.html^0|15|4|0|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|L|8|@]|9|@$A|M|B|N|1|O]]|C|$]]|$1|D|3|-4|5|6|7|P|8|@]|9|@]|C|$]]]|E|$F|$5|G|H|I|C|$J|K]]]]

The first thing that comes to mind is documentation on writing Linux device drivers. This is loosely related to what you're interested, but coding for 16 bit devices is covered in <a href="http://www.xml.com/ldd/chapter/book/ch10.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">this</a> O'Reilly book on driver programming. In general, there should at least be a number of useful coding style conventions around.

blocks|key|392678|text|有很多关于学习C编程的书，特别是关于你提到的架构的。在亚马逊上搜索“微控制器”。|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|data|392679|此外，Microchip有许多针对其特定编译器和芯片的研讨会/课程-它们通常都很便宜，而且在美国各地有几个培训中心。由于有许多工程师需要接受培训，您可以考虑直接与Microchip联系，了解内部培训的成本。|392680|-Adam|392681|entityMap^0|0|0|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|H|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|B|3|C|5|6|7|I|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|D|3|E|5|6|7|J|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|F|3|-4|5|6|7|K|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]]|G|$]]

There are many books on learning C programming, especially for the architectures you mention. Check out amazon with searches for "microcontroller".

Also, Microchip has a lot of seminars/classes for their particular compilers and chips - they are usually inexpensive, and there are several training centers around the US. With many engineers needing to be trained you might consider contacting Microchip directly and seeing what it would cost to have in house training.

-Adam

My company is transitioning from assembly coded microcontrollers to C. We are considering Microchip, Atmel, Renasas, et. al. for future projects using C code. Are there good training resources to bring our engineers up to speed with C? Seminars, instructors, classes, etc. The experience level of the engineers varies from no training to some knowledge.

C Training on 16-bit microcontrollers

翻译质量差，导致语言生硬或混乱。

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